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Bill Nye, The Anti-Science Guy

June 29, 2018 by Dennis Lange

     A pro-murder website has a link to a video by Bill Nye (“the science guy”) and says about the video, “Bill Nye debunks anti-abortionist logic with science in passionate plea to lawmakers”.1  Since Bill Nye comes nowhere close to debunking anti-abortionist logic with science, that’s a frightening statement for two reasons.  One is that Bill Nye, who is supposedly using science, is completely against what science says.  The second is that people like the author of that sentence don’t realize that Bill Nye was terribly wrong and are deceived by what he said. 

     Nye began by saying, “Many, many, many, many more hundreds of eggs are fertilized than become humans. Eggs get fertilized, and by that I mean sperm get accepted by ova a lot. But that’s not all you need. You have to attach to the uterine wall, the inside of a womb, a woman’s womb.”  Science does not agree with that at all.  Nye contradicts what science says.  Dr. Jerome LeJeune, who was a pediatrician and professor of genetics in Paris, testified before a Congressional subcommittee, saying, “after fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being” and that this “is no longer a matter of taste or opinion,” and “not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence…. Each individual has a very neat beginning, at conception.”2  In my book (Murdercrats: Millions of Abortion Murderers, available at Amazon), I quoted nearly 50 scientists who all said the same thing, saying there is no longer any debate when a human being comes into existence.  Attaching itself to the uterine wall is simply one of the first acts of this new human being to provide itself with nutrition that it may continue to live and grow.

     After his first statement, Nye then goes into a philosophical discussion. If it’s true that a human life begins at conception, he poses, then who are you going to sue or imprison – every woman who has had a fertilized egg pass through her?  He totally fails to understand the issue, perhaps even deliberately creating a straw man argument that he can attack rather than addressing the real issue. The issue is first, that a human being comes into existence at conception and, second, that the deliberate killing of that living human being is murder. The issue is not about what happens as a result of nature, when a fertilized egg (a human being) fails to attach to the uterine wall and doesn’t survive.  We don’t charge anyone with murder when they’re struck by lightning and killed. Duh! Nye fails miserably at both science and philosophy.

     Nye then says that it’s just a reflection of a deep lack of scientific understanding.  I just shook my head when I first read that.  Nye is the one who was wrong scientifically in his first statement and all else he said in between was philosophy and he failed at that, too.

     Next, Nye says that laws against abortion are written because of a book written 5000 years ago. So, he’s saying that men are against abortion as murder because of the Bible. That’s simply an attempt to poison the well, to change the discussion. I’ve not used, either in my book or on this website or in any discussion with abortion murder advocates, a single biblical argument that abortion is murder unless some religious person has made an argument that I’ve addressed.  Every single argument I’ve made is what SCIENCE says.   

     Nye talks as if males ought to be left out of this matter, a fairly common attempt by pro-murder advocates.  But, it’s only when men are AGAINST abortion that the murder crowd says men should stay out of it.  If a man is for abortion he won’t be told to shut up at all!!!  After all Bill Nye is supposedly a man and this website is touting his male support of murder. So, pro-murder advocates are both sexist and hypocritical in this matter and Nye simply joined in that hypocrisy. 

     Nye continued, saying, “Nobody likes abortion, but you can’t tell somebody what to do.” He’s wrong. Over and over again, he’s wrong. Nobody likes rape and we pass laws against rape and we are thus telling people what to do (what not to do).  We tell people what to do as we give them speed limits and stop signs and a deadline for filing taxes, etc. Nye is simply as wrong as he can be.

     Nye then says, “She (the pregnant woman) has rights over this.” Sorry, Nye, but no one has the right to murder another human being. Now, let’s go back to Nye’s first blunder when his first statement was wrong scientifically. He said that it took more than conception to make a human being, that the zygote had to attach to the uterine wall and he left it at that. All right, by his own definition, every abortion performed in a clinic is murder because they are all performed after that attachment.  This is about the worst video I’ve ever seen that purported to answer pro-life arguments and what I’ve addressed so far is only about half.

     Nye said, “It’s very frustrating. You wouldn’t know how big a human egg was if it weren’t for microscopes, if it weren’t for scientists, medical researchers looking diligently. You wouldn’t know the process. You wouldn’t have that shot, the famous shot or shots where the sperm are bumping up against the egg. You wouldn’t have that without science. So then to claim that you know the next step when you obviously don’t is trouble. Let me do that again. Let me just pull back. At some point we have to respect the facts.”  I scratched my head when I read that.  It appears he’s saying we owe all we know about this to science as if pro-life people have abandoned science and science is on Bill Nye’s side.  It’s not.  He puts a human being coming into existence at implantation while science puts it at conception. Dr. Joseph DeCook, who was the executive director of the American  Association of Pro-life Obstetricians and Gynecologists said, “There’s no question at all when human life begins.  When the two sets of chromosomes get together, you have a complete individual.  It’s the same as you and I but less developed.”  He distinguished between pregnancy, when the embryo is implanted on the uterine wall, and the beginning of human life.  He said, “But we’re not talking about pregnancy.  The question you have to focus on, is when does meaningful, valuable human life begin?  That’s with the union of the two sets of chromosome. You have a complete human being that begins developing.”3  It’s extremely obvious why Nye is wrong.  The embryo doesn’t change its nature by implantation on the uterine wall.  Therefore, if it is a human being after implantation (per Nye’s insinuation), then it was a human being prior to implantation.  This isn’t rocket science.  It’s not that difficult.

     The author of the article on the site ended, however, with these words, “…I suspect this conversation will be had many, many times for the foreseeable future. Meanwhile, I’m with Bill — facts and science, please.”  I have to say that the author can be with Bill but when he’s with Bill he will not be with facts and with science.  Bill Nye, in the matter of abortion murder, is the Anti-Science Guy.   

Dennis Lange

 

 

 

1 http://www.femalista.com/bill-nye-debunks-anti-abortion-logic-with-
  science/

2 http://www.epm.org/resources/2010/Mar/8/scientists-attest-life-   
  beginning-conception/Report, Subcommittee on Separation of Powers to
  Senate Judiciary Committee S-158, 97th Congress, 1st Session April 23-
  24, 1981.

3 http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/07/medical-views-when-does- 
  human-life-begin/

Posted in: Answering Pro-Murderers, Articles Tagged: American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists, anti-abortion, Bill Nye, chromosome, conception, Dr. Jerome LeJeune, Dr. Joseph DeCook, egg, fertilized, implantation on the uterine wall, minenotthenine, murder, Murdercrats Millions of Abortion Murderers, ova, pediatrician, pro-choice, professor, rocket science, Science Guy, sperm, straw man argument

Two Facts – The First

March 24, 2017 by Dennis Lange

  Much of politics is preference and opinion, with one person giving weight to one set of arguments while another accepts the opposing set of arguments.  In the 2016 presidential election, some were more offended by what Donald Trump said and did than what Hillary Clinton said and did.  On the other side, some were more negative about Clinton’s words and acts than Trump’s.  Some liked the idea of reducing government regulations; some wanted all the regulations kept and desired even more.  Some see the value in laying a pipeline; some see the problems.

   Out of all the different issues, two facts (not preference and opinion) must forevermore affect the votes of those who still have a heart and soul.  The first is that abortion is murder and the second is that any support of the Democratic Party that endorses the murder of the unborn as part of its platform is an accessory to murder and guilty as well.

   The first fact:

   At conception, the fertilization of an egg by a sperm results in a new human life, a unique individual. That’s a scientific and medical fact.  Even many abortionists agree that abortion is killing, murder, the taking of a human life.

   Dr. Jerome LeJeune, who was a pediatrician and professor of genetics in Paris, testified before a Congressional subcommittee, saying, “after fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being” and that this “is no longer a matter of taste or opinion,” and “not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence…. Each individual has a very neat beginning, at conception.” 1

   Moore and Persaud, in their book on embryology, wrote, “A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo)…. his highly specialized, totipotent cell marks the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.”2

    In an article for the California Medical Association, Dr. Malcom Watts wrote, “…it has been necessary to separate the idea of abortion from the idea of killing, which continues to be socially abhorrent. The result has been a curious avoidance of the scientific fact, which everyone really knows, that human life begins at conception and is continuous until death.”3  The source where this was found says it was a pro-abortion piece.

    Dr. Bertran Wainer, an abortionist who founded an abortion clinic said, “Abortion is killing. Nobody can argue with that. When the fetus is inside the uterus it is alive and when the pregnancy terminated it is dead – that by any definition is killing. … I think abortion is the destruction of something which is potentially irreplaceable, human and of great value, which is the tragedy of abortion. But it is not of greater value than the woman seeking the abortion.”4

   Professor Hymie Gordon of the Mayo Clinic testified before a Senate committed in 1981, saying, “By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception” and “unequivocally, that the question when life begins is no longer a question for theological or philosophical dispute.  It is an established scientific fact.”  “…it is an established fact that all life, including human life, begins at the moment of conception.”5
      
    W.J. Larsen, in a book about human embryology, wrote, “In this text, we begin our description of the developing human with the formation and differentiation of the male and female sex cells or gametes, which will unite at fertilization to initiate the embryonic development of a new individual.”6

   Carol Everett was the administrator of four abortion clinics and owned two.  She said, “Every woman has these same two questions: First, ‘Is it a baby?’ ‘No’ the counselor assures her. ‘It is a product of conception (or a blood clot, or a piece of tissue)’ Even though these counselors see six week babies daily, with arms, legs and eyes that are closed like newborn puppies, they lie to the women. How many women would have an abortion, if they told them the truth?”7

   In their book on embryology, O’Rahilly and Muller wrote, “Fertilization is an important landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed.”8

   Before the Senate Judiciary Committee in 1981, Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth of Harvard Medical School testified that a human life begins at conception and supported her testimony by references to more than twenty embryology and medical textbooks.  She said, “It is incorrect to say that biological data cannot be decisive…. It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception.”9

   An abortionist said, “I can now say openly that I do think I am ending a life every time I do an abortion, but I do it as someone who has certain skill which is put at the disposal of a woman who does not want her pregnancy to continue.”10

   Bruce Patten’s textbook on embryology states, “Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)…. The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual.”11

   Notice their words: it is no longer a matter of taste or opinion…scientific fact, which everyone really knows…Abortion is killing. Nobody can argue with that….  …the question when life begins is no longer a question for theological or philosophical dispute.  It is an established scientific fact.  …It is incorrect to say that biological data cannot be decisive.

   Thus, C.W. Kischer, who was a professor of anatomy and human embryology could make the sweeping statement, “Every human embryologist, worldwide, states that the life of the new individual human being begins at fertilization (conception).… We exist as a continuum of human life, which begins at fertilization and continues until death.”12

    What is killed during an abortion is a living, unique human being and is thus murder.

 

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1 http://www.epm.org/resources/2010/Mar/8/scientists-attest-life-beginning-conception/
Report, Subcommittee on Separation of Powers to Senate Judiciary Committee S-158, 97th Congress, 1st Session April 23-24, 1981.

2 Moore, K. and T.V.N. Persaud. 1998. The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology (6th ed.), W.B. Saunders Company,  Philadelphia.
come from here: http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/scienceabortion.html

3 http://www.abortionfacts.com/literature/how-are-abortions-done

4 Miriam Claire The Abortion Dilemma: Personal Views on a Public Issue (New York: Insight Books, 1995) 59

5 Report, Subcommittee on Separation of Powers to Senate Judiciary Committee S-158, 97th Congress, 1st Session 1981. http://naapc.org/why-life-begins-at-conception/ ,
Part was found above and part was found the book: The Life and Death Debate: Moral Issues of Our Time 
By James Porter Moreland, Norman L. Geisler   p.34,35

6 Larsen, W.J. 1998. Essentials of Human Embryology, Churchill Livingstone, New York.
http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/scienceabortion.html

7 Carol Everett “A Walk Through an Abortion Clinic” ALL About Issues magazine Aug-Sept 1991, pg. 117  http://liveactionnews.org/is-it-a-baby-clinic-workers-respond/

8 O’Rahilly, R. and F. Muller. 1996. Human Embryology & Teratology, Wiley-Liss, New York.  http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/scienceabortion.html

9 http://clinicquotes.com/scientists-speak-before-the-senate-human-life-begins-at-conception/

10 Anonymous “Personal View” British Medical Journal 1984, 289: 1377
http://clinicquotes.com/abortionist-ending-life/

11 Carlson, Bruce M. Patten’s Foundations of Embryology, 6th edition, New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3) http://liveactionnews.org/life-begins-at-conception-science-teaches/

12 Christine Watkins, editor The Ethics of Abortion (New York: Greenhaven press, 2005)
http://clinicquotes.com/embryologist-everyone-knows-life-begins-at-conception/

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